Australian Infront

"Job" ads on AIF that should be banned.

Posted 10.01.2012 @ 4.55PM (Edited 10.01.2012 @ 4.56PM)

I think ads like this should not be listed on AIF.
http://www.australianinfront.com.au/jobs/listing/1282

This sort of thing is unacceptable and is no different to spec working with their carrot of full time work. And it's not the first time this business has tried to do it. I have no issue with volunteers for charities or other like causes, but for a regular commercial business, there is no excuse. Even work experience kids get paid something.

Posted 10.01.2012 @ 9.11PM (Edited 10.01.2012 @ 9.13PM)

I have an issue with most charities doing it too. All the charity CEO's still get paid an absolute f-ing bundle. A good job always deserves a fair pay. I give charity on my terms or as a collaboration, not on someone elses whim.

Posted 10.01.2012 @ 9.17PM

Ditto

Posted 11.01.2012 @ 1.41AM (Edited 11.01.2012 @ 1.43AM)

::All the charity CEO's still get paid an absolute f-ing bundle.

Hmm, you're tarring "all" charities with the same brush, which is absolutely not accurate.

Many charities run on a shoe string, and the only reason they can continue to operate at all is due to the great work of volunteers.

I would argue that "most" charities are in this situation, with the minority being the ones that pay "an absolute f-ing bundle" to their CEOs.

More info here on volunteering if you want: http://www.volunteeringaustralia.org/_Information/Not-For-Profit.asp

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But I do agree with Dan and this type of ad for a commercial business.

Posted 11.01.2012 @ 11.40AM

True Dave, And I agree with helping out the small guys by approaching them rather than vica versa.

That said I worked for a charity where the CEO Was paid hundreds of thousands but there was 500 regular volunteers. So just because volunteers carry an organisation doesn't mean the place isn't loaded.

Posted 11.01.2012 @ 12.18PM (Edited 11.01.2012 @ 12.23PM)

Thanks Dan, we are all aware of your outlook towards unpaid positions.

We won't be banning any jobs which ask for volunteers as it is a legitimate request.

Internships and unpaid work are a part of every industry and to simply ban a job because of this would be of no benefit to anybody. There are people who are happy to work on this kind of basis to gain further experience and personally I see nothing wrong if both parties are understanding of the arrangement.

Posted 11.01.2012 @ 12.58PM (Edited 11.01.2012 @ 1.00PM)

Zann. I passionately disagree. Juniors and students are exploited with these things. I went through it myself when I was young and had no one to turn to for advice. As a design community you have a responsibility to take a stance against this rather than endorsing it.

Posted 11.01.2012 @ 1.24PM

when i was starting out, with far less experience then some interns, i worked and produced roughs for zilch, did not have enough experience or any contacts when i arrived in australia to get anything more than finish art jobs in studios, i only got paid if the clients wanted the work, moved on to doing free pitches and was able to get better clients

i was happy to do it and gained further experience, both side were happy with it

i stopped doing it the because 'design community' convinced me that it was against the general benefit of all, though i wasn't quite convinced that large studios had my welfare at heart, i wonder sometimes when i see this for a commercial business on a design community site

you chaps and chapesses do a great job here and i don't want to criticise, but i too like dan think it is a bit border line to advertise here

Posted 11.01.2012 @ 3.04PM (Edited 11.01.2012 @ 3.05PM)

I don't agree with banning all of it, I am more of a fan of having the education to make the right choices.

And anyone using these forums and website to find these job ads should also know that people on the forum are willing to give them the guidance that others might have missed.

Posted 11.01.2012 @ 3.49PM

::That said I worked for a charity where the CEO Was paid hundreds of thousands but there was 500 regular volunteers. So just because volunteers carry an organisation doesn't mean the place isn't loaded.

"a" charity. Doesn't mean all - or even most - are the same. And I'd hate to create a bad viewpoint of those who only exist - and do great work - due to the support of volunteers. My point.